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and good afternoon and happy halloween

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from philadelphia frank here with

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another episode of ufo news network

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sunday

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we've got a special guest for you today

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and let me bring in my co-host

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chant hannah to do the introductions how

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are you today chad happy halloween

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happy halloween to you and to our

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special guest cheryl

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costa whom we've had the privilege and

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honor of interviewing before on our show

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she's a wonderful person and the ufo

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community has a great

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uh and deep respect for her

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cheryl before i start your bio i wanted

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to thank you for our service

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for your service to our country thank

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you very much

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chant frank cheryl is a two-time service

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military veteran

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um a retired aerospace security engineer

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she has had a lifelong interest in ufos

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from 1998 to 2001 she hosted the x

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factor talk radio program in washington

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covering ufos and many other paranormal

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topics

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from 2013 through june 2018 she wrote

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the wildly popular weekly newspaper blog

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new york skies for syracuse newtimes.com

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in 2017 cheryl and her spouse linda

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miller costa

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published the ufo sightings desk

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reference united states of america

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2001 through 2000 2015 it is the first

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ever published

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statistical analysis of us ufo sightings

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all over the united states cheryl was

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the 2018 researcher

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of the year award uh won that award

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and by the way i will be adding her

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email address at the end of the show

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so if folks have any data that they want

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to share with her

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they can do so i wanted to talk a little

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bit about the ufo sightings desk

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uh reference which was a book that she

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wrote along with her wife

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linda miller costa it's a very important

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book

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both in and out of the ufo community

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that book is the first of its kind as we

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stated earlier

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and it presents data and analysis for a

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hundred thousand plus signings of

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unidentified flying objects

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reported by individuals during the first

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15 years of the 21st century

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since 1969 the government has claimed no

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interest in the topic

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and the press and media either ignore or

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ridicule any mention of ufos

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yet citizen scientists and

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non-governmental

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organizations have continued to this day

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the research into this important subject

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this book seeks to make the hardest data

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available accessible to the general

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public

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as well as other ufo researchers the

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book is organized into beginning

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narrative

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sections including analysis of ufo

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sightings frequently asked questions

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and how to use this book followed by the

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data charts tables and maps are

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presented by summary data

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for the entire us and individual

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chapters for all 50

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states down to the county level plus the

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district of columbia

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aimed at the serious ufo researcher this

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comprehensive volume is also of value to

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academic and public libraries

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news organizations and anyone who is

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interested in what is flying in the

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skies

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over their heads where they live as seen

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in the new york times

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people are seeing ufos everywhere and

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this book proves it by ralph blumenthal

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uh that was published in april on april

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24 2017

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uh i would like to welcome cheryl costa

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onto the show welcome thank you so much

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for having

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uh joined us on the show today hi jen

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i had a question i wanted to start off

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with this cheryl uh

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why did you publish the ufo beat and who

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uh in order to get that published i

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understand that the story was a little

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complicated

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okay um for seven years i wrote the

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syracuse new times

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uh column called new york skies from

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i was always a freelancer with the paper

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okay even though they considered me one

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of their columnists i was not actually

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on their payroll i got paid but i wasn't

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and uh so they didn't

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really own the articles as i the editor

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i could use my articles for other

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resource other things

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so when i went to do the book uh ufo

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beat i i did go back to the publisher

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and i verified that it would be okay and

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but where they we ran into snacks was i

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uh i went through fits initially trying

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to find the articles

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uh the origin the articles while i had

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so i um finally i worked out a uh

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an algorithm they could they could look

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uh we launched that we were able to

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every single article that we published

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oh wonderful thank you for explaining

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that um i wanted to ask you a personal

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cheryl at times it appears as though you

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have a photographic memory i say that

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experience friendship with you it just

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appears to me as though you do have

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a really razor sharp memory can you

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that topic

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uh it's twofold um i always sort of had

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this i don't want to say

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true photographic memory uh when i was

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in high school and i had to take a final

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exam or something i used to sit down

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a week or two before the exam and write

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down any formulas or any

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notes that i needed and i would write

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on same way every time on the paper and

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the exam came up you all that you were

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turn it face down and i would sit there

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sort of a cheat sheet um i had a couple

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after i started the test so nobody could

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uh i i i'm very visually oriented that's

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because i think in pictures so that's

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ah thank you for sharing that i wanted

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to dive right into

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the ufo data topic was there an uptick

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two stories ago with that i i had been

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regarding ufo stuff i really wasn't

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paying attention i was working on

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other projects and what happened was i

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got a phone call

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i got a phone call from uh uh

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george stamp out of klas out in uh las

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vegas and he said his phone's been

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ringing off the hook for sightings and i

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there were optical sightings down in

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down in the hudson valley things like

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that you know and since new york states

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so to speak i said wow okay let me look

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at this and i pulled up a spreadsheet

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that had the last 18 years worth of um

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bike by monthly numbers

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so it was like a seven-year high which

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kind of fell into a model i had

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predicted that this is a six or seven

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and two or three years ago when the

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falling into the dirt uh i predicted

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and yes 2020 off the rails things are

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the four the four drivers for ufo

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okay um they're the four basic drivers

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that we published in our original book

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were population and most people

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knee-jerk in the ufo community tend to

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knee-jerk with population

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population temperate weather

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leisure time and hours of darkness those

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were the four major drivers

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the next major driver after that sort of

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is coastline to major bodies of

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water okay i discovered that after the

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i was sitting there with the census

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chart map that we have in the book

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i was sitting there with it in my lap

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because i was on another talk show

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and we were on a commercial break and i

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happened to notice and i didn't notice

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this when we were putting the book

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that all the states that actually

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touched like the great lakes

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had aster had very high sightings in the

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numbers fell into the low hundreds

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okay and then we notice that like with a

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place like california has a very long

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know like florida and new york and

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things like that have these coastlines

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a major body of water but we say

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major drivers okay um

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kind of a slightly off-topic question do

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so high um are due in part possibly to

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usos

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since there's a long coastline and

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there's an ocean there

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if it's possible that there might be

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some kind of anomalous craft

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uh coming out of the ocean and that's

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why

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the sightings are so high in that area

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that's kind of a macro question well no

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we

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talked that out with a number of people

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but because both of them major national

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databases

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um there's almost no

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i think i've seen three of the many

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tens of thousands of references to

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sightings

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that refer to a uso something coming out

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of the water going into the water so

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um it might be but all we can do is

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extrapolate and say well we noticed that

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places that are have a major major body

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of water the great lakes the coastlines

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or something like that

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there tend to be a lot more sightings

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but

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we can't document any direct connection

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or correlation thank you for answering

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that yeah because

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we know that there's coastline

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everywhere and in the u.s

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it couldn't just possibly be related

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only to california of course

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since oregon has a coastline as well but

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anyway and many other states

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as odd as it sounds um is it

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possible that smokers are in part

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responsible for quite a few

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sightings over the years uh should we

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thank them for that

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cheryl and our smokers out side more

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well okay it works out like this that

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was frank coughing actually

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let the listeners know he's a smoker

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well we observed

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something that when i was writing my

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column

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there was i i'd be reading lots of these

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reports

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all the time just to see if there'd be a

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cute a good story in there to read love

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a lot of people don't know that most ufo

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reports are usually

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less than a sentence or two about the

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sighting

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and they're usually not very scientific

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you know well we saw this great thing

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you know

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and that's about it but some people do

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put more narrative a couple paragraphs

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something like that sometimes you get a

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really nice big long

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write-up but those are rare but

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many many of them started out i went

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outside for a smoke

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i went outside to walk the dog and have

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a smoke

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okay and i got talking to some mufund

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investigators

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at one of their major mufon investigator

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meetings

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and they told me that frequently when

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they go to review a month's worth of

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sightings

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they'll search on a text file kind of

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thing of the sightings

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and they'll search for smoke and dog

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because figure

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the smokers and the dog walkers are out

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there day in day out they know the lay

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of the land

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okay and they're pretty consistently out

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there every day

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okay rain or shine so that

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that's been kind of a fun thing because

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you see and when you get into our what

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we call the temperature charts

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um you know that like in a state and

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upstate

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like a northern state like the dakotas

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or new york state or new england

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uh the first three four months of the

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year january february march april

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are pretty much flat uh with a very

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small number of numbers and

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same thing says out there for october

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november december you see these flat

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numbers okay

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and then they pick up a little bit in

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the late spring and then july and

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august are through the roof it's just

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peak okay

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real steep bell curve kind of thing and

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we realized that it was

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the smokers and the dog workers were the

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consistent people

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out there day in day out and they were

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giving us our baseline

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but it changes depending upon the

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latitude and that that's where the

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temperate weather thing came in

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that's fascinating um my actually linda

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was the one that discovered the

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temperate weather thing

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we were putting we were actually putting

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the book together i had printed out all

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the charts and graphs

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and uh she looked over her terminal one

403
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one saturday afternoon and said

404
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did you notice there's a latitude

405
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difference with the amount of sightings

406
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in the summer time i said what do you

407
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mean it says up north it's right

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july and august you start going down to

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the middle middle

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south they say and it started flattening

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out and all the other numbers started

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coming up and then they got down to the

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deep south states that was like a picket

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fence

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that's amazing and i also think the ufo

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community owes her a great big thank you

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we need to thank

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linda miller costa for all of her hard

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work

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regarding the topics that we're going

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over today uh um

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there is quite a bit of contribution

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that she made

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to that book and major contributions

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and so we thank her for that to be

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honest

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this a lot of people credit do a lot of

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crediting on me and i'm an analyst

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and i crunch numbers um but my

430
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art my degrees are in the arts uh

431
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television writing uh film writing

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um uh entertainment writing that kind of

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thing uh

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linda's got the real science credentials

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very high science credentials and

436
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she brought scientific discipline which

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the ufology community

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really needs yes and she brought that to

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the table

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and she she held me to certain

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disciplines we have to do it this way we

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need this this this and this

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and she held me to a scientific analysis

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standard which was

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a blessing yes using a scientific model

446
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,959
is uh

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quite rare in the ufo community so we

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thank her for having

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those stringent and high standards when

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she uh

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is going over the ufo topic which we are

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very grateful to her for

453
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you have been collecting uh data

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regarding

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a few of the topics that we've discussed

456
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for nearly two decades now

457
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my understanding from your research and

458
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i'm hoping that you'll correct me

459
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regarding the dates i'm about to give

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you

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is from 2001 to 2018 phoenix was the

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number one city

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00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,600
regarding sightings of ufos can you

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00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,279
please break down the rest of the data

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for us so we know from top to bottom

466
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the statistics on all of that between

467
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that period of time

468
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:02,480
okay well okay phoenix

469
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no um let me 2018

470
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:09,439
uh 2017-2018 time frame

471
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um 2000 through that whole period of

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time

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uh uh probably the last

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10 10 years from about 2009 to about

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2018 something like that

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uh it was actually vegas las vegas

477
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had as a city okay

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uh clark county though wasn't wasn't

479
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uh was up there significantly and that's

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essentially vegas

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and then uh but nevada the number was

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they were done the state was down to

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like number 25

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of 50 states it was like halfway through

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um the deal was um

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about a year or so ago it came the

487
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numbers actually came out in 2010 2018

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uh phoenix as a city came up

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by a couple of hundred um to be the top

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city

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uh in in vegas felt like number two that

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type of thing

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um the the key thing to look at there

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though

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which is kind of important the top

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counties

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los angeles county is the number of

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3200 counties uh los angeles county is

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the number one county in the country

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with more sightings than

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in phoenix you got maricopa county now

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maricopa

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county again they had phoenix lights

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down there many years ago all this stuff

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phoenix phoenix the city within maricopa

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county

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uh had always been when our book came

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out they were the number two county in

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the country for sightings with

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more sightings than 36 individual states

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which is fantastic but they always kind

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of lag behind las vegas and

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and uh but last in 2018

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they came up and they were they were

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number one i think in august of this

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year you reported that phoenix had

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over 1100 sightings is my understanding

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at that period of time uh at that point

519
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yeah it was uh

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that's those are rough numbers and

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they're very fluid

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okay any numbers that i've reported

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through 2020 the numbers have been very

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fluid because it's constantly changing

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so i don't like to be held to one number

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but

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incident that's the number i had

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okay um can you please list and expound

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upon the two reporting agencies

530
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,720
you rely upon in order to extrapolate

531
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your ufo data sightings from

532
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well okay there's a national ufo

533
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:37,679
reporting center

534
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they're based out of uh washington state

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and uh

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they've been around since seven uh since

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1974

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and they went to where their web edit

539
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their web interface

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00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,760
in the early 2000s and we found out

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during the course of crunching our data

542
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for the book

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that they were somewhere in the 60

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a ratio between them and mutual ufo

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00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:02,960
network move on

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um they have the the new fork people

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were typically somewhere 60 to 70

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percent of the numbers

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and and then mufon had on the order of

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40 to 30 of the numbers now that varies

551
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,600
you know it varies from year to year and

552
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there are several states where mufon is

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the dominant

554
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uh texas one uh where mufon is the

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dominant

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uh reporting service if you look at both

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state

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both both services both

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are skewed differently to a different

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part of the company

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00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,320
country and if you put them both

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00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,799
together then you get a complete picture

563
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and people have asked me there's a lot

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of smaller uh

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00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,360
ufo reporting sites around

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i call them the mom past sites and to be

567
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,440
honest with you most of them

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had very small numbers or all they were

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doing was copying like new forks data

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00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,520
that type of thing so i i just stayed

571
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,200
with the two majors

572
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,200
okay all right let me jump in really

573
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,280
quick uh with a question for you cheryl

574
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:08,080
uh you found different correlations uh

575
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,280
regarding uh

576
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,000
ufos uh you were mentioning bodies of

577
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:13,360
water things like that

578
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,799
now uh this past week uh you like the

579
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:18,159
charts you look at the charts

580
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:21,679
and the rises and falls and uh i've seen

581
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:22,159
uh

582
00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:26,720
over time

583
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,480
uh you can see uh the the crash uh of

584
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,799
1929

585
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,400
uh you can see what happened earlier

586
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,159
this year we're regarding

587
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:37,919
uh the covet outbreak you can see uh the

588
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:41,360
uh the crash in uh late 08 regarding the

589
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:41,919
uh

590
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,120
that

591
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,240
uh uh have you ever been able to tie any

592
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,760
kind of correlation

593
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:52,159
between rises and false in the ufo

594
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,120
sighting chart

595
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,080
to any kind of news any uh any kind of

596
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:57,679
news in the world

597
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,120
september 11th the covet outbreak

598
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,720
anything along those lines if any of

599
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,720
those uh correlations ever kind of

600
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,080
popped up

601
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,720
amazingly because we typically look at

602
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,360
only

603
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,400
yearlies okay and monthlies

604
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,880
that type of thing um we don't normally

605
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,280
see those kinds of fluctuations

606
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,520
um but the united states and this is

607
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,799
some church we had

608
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,200
some charts we developed uh after the

609
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,240
book

610
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,720
and uh we've worked out some algorithms

611
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:28,720
where we could take a a

612
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,559
shot of a state and look at a year's

613
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,520
worth of sightings

614
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,600
or take a look at the united states and

615
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:37,520
look at one year's worth of sightings in

616
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,919
one

617
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,400
chart okay and it's a little yeah a lot

618
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,000
of little lines going across the page

619
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,600
and it's very wide you have to do it on

620
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,159
a landscape printout kind of thing

621
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,960
and in the united states we average only

622
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,520
about

623
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,799
30 reports a day between both databases

624
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:55,039
okay about 30 points and in certain

625
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,840
times of year

626
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,760
with warmer weather you see that kind of

627
00:23:03,350 --> 00:22:58,960
ramp up maybe

628
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,360
uh 30 to 40 30 to 50 that type of thing

629
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,559
um but typically 25 to 30 sightings a

630
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,799
day in the united states and then

631
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,960
if you look sometimes at a specific of

632
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,280
course july 4th is off the page because

633
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,280
everybody reports

634
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,120
the the goofy things they see on the 4th

635
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,600
of july

636
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,520
if you look at individual states and

637
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:23,440
this is something we did

638
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,360
last year we identified 150 places

639
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:29,840
you've never heard of

640
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,880
that spanning across 50 states

641
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,520
and but we we've identified about 150

642
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,000
places

643
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,159
that have absolutely nothing going on 90

644
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,520
percent of the time

645
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,440
their state averages maybe three

646
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:43,200
sightings a week

647
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,200
particular day

648
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,679
two counties like let's see 2000 april

649
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:51,279
16 2008

650
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,279
there was um 60 sightings nationally

651
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:57,440
on one day and it was a big spike above

652
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,320
that 20

653
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,600
20 or 30. and we've dug in there and

654
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,880
25 of those 60 sightings were in indiana

655
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:08,000
a state that only averages about 1300 a

656
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:09,120
year

657
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,600
and they were all in two counties

658
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,679
they were joined to each other and we've

659
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,880
identified a number

660
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:19,039
like i said about 150 of these places

661
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,240
where we've had a

662
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,279
one day goofy flap of some sort and the

663
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,880
only way you can see it is

664
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,520
by combining both datas and looking at

665
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:28,720
it with this type of

666
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,640
algorithm that we've developed um

667
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,960
you may need to rehash this but uh the

668
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,159
states that are seeing the biggest

669
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,679
upticks of sightings compared

670
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,679
to the national trend my understanding

671
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,679
is california florida and texas is that

672
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:42,640
correct

673
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,600
okay 2001 the 2018 um

674
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,360
it was pretty much like that uh

675
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,080
california florida texas in that order

676
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,840
uh california had like 18 800 during

677
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,360
that 18-year period

678
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:00,080
florida and texas were in the high seven

679
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,120
thousands

680
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,039
okay and florida had a little bit more

681
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,559
than texas

682
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,640
but and then the rest of the states were

683
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,080
typically pennsylvania

684
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,960
arizona new york ohio washington new

685
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,760
jersey

686
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,360
that type of thing um this year

687
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,240
something goofy's going on uh california

688
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:19,919
number one as usual

689
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,960
florida is number two as usual but

690
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,320
number three

691
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,760
is pennsylvania okay who knew you know

692
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,679
normally arizona's number seven

693
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:32,080
hey texas is number five arizona's

694
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,960
number six

695
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,360
uh new york's normally five or six uh

696
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,200
right currently right now

697
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,400
again it's new fork data only and that

698
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,480
may completely change when i mix the

699
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,559
the mufon data in with it you know but

700
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,480
right now new york is coming in

701
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,440
number 10 but only from a new fork

702
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,159
perspective

703
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,799
yeah so i have kind of a two-part uh

704
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:53,919
question for you

705
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,200
um can you then go ahead and share the

706
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,279
upticks regarding cities and sightings

707
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,720
rather than states

708
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,440
and sightings for this year and what

709
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,520
about average daily sightings

710
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:08,240
um can you go over this regarding cities

711
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:08,559
or

712
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,760
we're not done crunching it uh i took a

713
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,000
year off in 2019

714
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,640
but i can't give you a number for this

715
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,039
is

716
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,200
new fork data only at the end of the

717
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,000
year mufon is going to give me new 2019

718
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,840
data and they're going to give me 2020

719
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,440
data

720
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,960
we have to go through some gyrations

721
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,120
with them their data's

722
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:34,240
stored differently than than new fork is

723
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,880
in 2019 new fork had 5800

724
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,720
this is sanitized data i took the

725
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:42,400
internationals out because if you go to

726
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,360
their webpage

727
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,200
and look back at the numbers you'll see

728
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,360
a much bigger number added up at the end

729
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,799
of each month type of thing and if you

730
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:50,559
had them all up you get a much bigger

731
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,200
number

732
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,279
but i had to take out all the canadian

733
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:54,640
and international

734
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,200
ones i only tracked usa so new fork had

735
00:27:03,430 --> 00:26:59,360
58.25

736
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,440
in 2019 and we estimate based on a 60 40

737
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:05,600
model that mufon will probably have

738
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:06,080
about

739
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,559
100. we think 2019 with both databases

740
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,559
will be in a range of around

741
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,520
9 700 and this is based on a model that

742
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
we have

743
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,760
and we're pretty close you know we've

744
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,200
come up pretty close with our model

745
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:24,720
we've learned how to do it

746
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,480
uh 2020 i'll give you a hook here um

747
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,480
january to august they have not put

748
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,880
their septem newfork has not put their

749
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,440
has not put their september or october

750
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,760
numbers up yet we expect to see that

751
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,399
on the other hand um peter davenport

752
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,000
does run a medical bill

753
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,000
a medical supply business and with the

754
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,520
covert thing i think he's up to his

755
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:48,000
button allergy

756
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,360
i don't think he's going to be doing

757
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,880
numbers right that's why they haven't

758
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,159
updated september yet

759
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,399
yeah we love peter he's great he's a

760
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,840
great guy he really is

761
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,559
um okay so january through august this

762
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:00,559
year with new fork

763
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:06,960
they uh they had 353

764
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,720
sightings reported okay this is 2019

765
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,200
january to august to show you where

766
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,640
things are different

767
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:18,159
january through august in 2020

768
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,720
uh is um 48.41 it's 150

769
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,080
of what 2019 had okay

770
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,520
and to give you a better number in 2019

771
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:32,000
they were averaging about 300 and this

772
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:32,960
is newport

773
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,799
only okay 394 sightings a month were

774
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:38,399
being reported

775
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,640
in in 2020 we were averaging 600

776
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,679
a month so it's it's going to be it's a

777
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,159
rocking year and i'm estimating that new

778
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:50,880
fork at the end of 2020 will be

779
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:54,000
probably around um 12 000 sightings all

780
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,640
together

781
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,640
which leads me to my next question thank

782
00:29:04,230 --> 00:28:58,320
you for going over that cheryl

783
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,990
i'm sorry i want to qualify something

784
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,159
yes go ahead 12 000 number

785
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,880
that 12 000 number was a an estimate

786
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,279
with mufon and new fork data

787
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,440
um okay i just wanted to make you

788
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,960
qualify that but it's going to be a big

789
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,399
number we're expecting new

790
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,679
uh in 2020 for new fork data only to be

791
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,120
about 7 200.

792
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,039
i'm glad you did qualify that because i

793
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,039
know since you're

794
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:30,320
so into ufo data your your ufo data geek

795
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,440
like i am you would have been

796
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,520
up in the middle of the night at 3am

797
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,960
thinking how you should have

798
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,080
created requalified that but anyway i

799
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,919
did have a social studies question for

800
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,720
you sure sure

801
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:43,039
and that is do you believe with this

802
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,320
with social

803
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,399
unrest that is happening in various

804
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,399
states and cities across america

805
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,320
that some of these alleged witness

806
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:51,840
sightings of

807
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,240
or anomalous objects are due to

808
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,880
drones surveilling the social unrest

809
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,159
that is unfolding

810
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,399
across america off and on throughout

811
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:03,440
this year

812
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,840
i have no way to confirm it um very

813
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:09,120
probably but uh i'll tell you one thing

814
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,000
i did notice

815
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,039
um oregon did tick up a bit in the in

816
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:13,919
the um

817
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,440
monthlies okay but i can't lock it down

818
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,360
because i have i don't have a i don't

819
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,840
have um september and october

820
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,919
to average it out and see if there was

821
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,200
an impact there

822
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,279
um we'll know we'll know next spring by

823
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,880
the time i get all the data

824
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,720
uh in january time frame and i get it

825
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:32,559
all someplace get it all sanitized and

826
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
start

827
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,440
doing that we can look back that's one

828
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:37,200
of the things with statistics it's one

829
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,000
of those things that

830
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,640
it's always a looking back kind of thing

831
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,640
and i've had to explain that to a lot of

832
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,240
news directors and editors from

833
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,760
newspapers that call me up and say well

834
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,200
we need the latest numbers can't you

835
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,240
just push a button

836
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,360
isn't there an app for that you know it

837
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,840
takes a lot of crunching and organizing

838
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,440
in many cases we've written some

839
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,159
algorithms to do all this stuff

840
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,120
i the thing with oregon okay first thing

841
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,039
remember we said leisure time

842
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,000
okay there was a huge uptick in april

843
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,080
because we were locked down

844
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:10,559
okay and i and a whole bunch of people

845
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
wrote me

846
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,880
on on social media and said i bet

847
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,159
there's gonna be an uptick at the end of

848
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,519
april since we're all locked down and

849
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,559
everyone's home

850
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,399
eating watching streaming tv and outside

851
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,240
smoking watching watching the stars and

852
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,600
they said yeah probably

853
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,080
and it was off the scale with new fork

854
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,399
and i suspect mufon has had an uptick as

855
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,600
well

856
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,240
but until we get to analyze the data we

857
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:31,679
won't really know for sure

858
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,559
now when we do analyze the data we might

859
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,919
go back in

860
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,600
because people like you have asked the

861
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,360
question already we may go back in

862
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,240
and once we have the county data and we

863
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,840
have the city data

864
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,200
looking good we might be able to look

865
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,840
back in at a historical period and say

866
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,640
hey during this number of days or this

867
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,760
number of weeks and

868
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,559
how in portland it's going to be like

869
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,600
months

870
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,960
you'll look in there and see if the

871
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,799
uptick is different than

872
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,120
the history baseline we'll be able to

873
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,039
look at that but right now we don't we

874
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,960
don't have a clue i have a question

875
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,080
first the drones

876
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,720
maybe who knows i have a question that

877
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:11,840
uh involves conjecture on your part

878
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,440
and uh that is uh worldwide i think

879
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,600
there's like 193 countries or a little

880
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,880
under 200

881
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,960
and by the way just a side note there's

882
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,960
actually an expert regarding

883
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,039
countries on that topic i'll submit the

884
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,120
link to that article to you later

885
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,240
who who stated that when he uh traveled

886
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,080
the world he found more countries

887
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,640
that were never listed because there's

888
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,480
actually unofficial countries within

889
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,519
countries

890
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,760
so i found that interesting but anyway

891
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,000
my question to you is

892
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,679
do you feel in your gut that worldwide

893
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,840
as first second and third world

894
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:50,960
countries upgrade their technology

895
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,159
regarding drones specifically or some

896
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,519
kind of

897
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,559
new aircrafts that citizen

898
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,360
citizenry there actually in their own

899
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,240
countries

900
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,960
are seeing these and then reporting them

901
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,360
as ufos

902
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,880
um i'm not as worried about the drone

903
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,880
reporting okay because we already

904
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,880
figured there's a certain percentage of

905
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,279
the stuff that's baloney okay we already

906
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,640
know there's some

907
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,440
degree of sightings that are just

908
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:22,880
seriously an error

909
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,559
okay uh dr villa says sev 80

910
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,679
noise uh mufon says 70 percent is

911
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:30,720
explainable

912
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,679
okay just to jump in from our

913
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,480
conversation

914
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,440
last year uh you made it a point that uh

915
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,000
you really

916
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:40,720
don't make any kind of judgment on how

917
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,120
good

918
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:43,039
or how bad the reporting is you just

919
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,240
look at the raw data and that's

920
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,440
basically it

921
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,720
we tend to look at the raw data

922
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,000
but where we've come from there is is

923
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,519
that we we've come up with our own

924
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,360
formula for the ones we the

925
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:58,000
shapes the specific shapes that we think

926
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,720
are

927
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:01,519
uh more exotic than anything we've got

928
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,000
out there

929
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,679
in the form of any kind of commercial or

930
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,440
military aircraft and

931
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,079
we've come up with our numbers around 30

932
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,119
as well

933
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,320
but regarding your question um actually

934
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,040
what has dr

935
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,240
if you were to look at a chart of ufo

936
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,599
sighting reports for the past um

937
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:23,040
back to 1960 we'll say most sightings

938
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,599
were

939
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:26,000
back before about 19 back before about

940
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,800
the 80s

941
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,440
were pretty much faxed into somebody a

942
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,960
clipping in the newspaper was sent to

943
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,119
somebody who collected this stuff

944
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,679
maybe you saw some guy in the news

945
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,960
tracks ufos and

946
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,560
and people called up his answering

947
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,560
machine and left them reports okay

948
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,720
and these things sort of got collected

949
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,760
and if you look like

950
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:47,040
uh at right now in the book in my book i

951
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,599
had

952
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,839
a little chart with new fork data and

953
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:51,599
you see this little humpy humpy humpy

954
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,320
thing coming

955
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,760
from 1960 up to about 1990 okay

956
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,160
actually up to about 1995. it looks like

957
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,920
a little snake crawling across the paper

958
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:02,480
in very tiny numbers less than 500 a

959
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,119
year

960
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,520
okay for the next book we're coming out

961
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,560
with a new book

962
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,880
covering the last 20 years and i'm going

963
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,560
to be asking mufon

964
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:13,520
for that same window of time 1960 to

965
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:13,920
about

966
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,119
2000 so i can show what that overall

967
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,079
number between both databases was

968
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,520
that there was the numbers were very

969
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:24,720
small then in 1980s we started having

970
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,160
um compuserve in america online people

971
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,320
started having the ability to report

972
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,680
things okay and by the late

973
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,920
late 90s people were getting off dial up

974
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:37,520
and going on to the web

975
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,280
and so by the early 2000s late 90s early

976
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,240
2000s

977
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,960
we had a lot of reporting coming on and

978
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:47,040
basically what it amounts to is the

979
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,920
world wide

980
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,560
web particularly in an advanced country

981
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,000
like the united states

982
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,079
became the vehicle for people to be able

983
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,800
to easily report the sightings

984
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,560
now as these third world company

985
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,960
countries start having the ability

986
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,520
to everybody having access to some kind

987
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,599
of technology to report these things

988
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,040
you're going to probably see

989
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,520
reporting databases in those countries

990
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,320
okay

991
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,400
and we're probably going to see an uh or

992
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,240
they're going to plug into national ufo

993
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:15,359
reporting center you wouldn't believe

994
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,000
how many

995
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,640
international reports come into newfork

996
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,119
and

997
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:21,040
um i think what you're going to see is

998
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,320
as they get more

999
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,000
connectivity we're going to see the

1000
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,520
numbers go up because probably the

1001
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,280
numbers have already been there

1002
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,359
it's just they had no way to reporting

1003
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,760
the web has been for our culture like

1004
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,680
the printing press was for previous

1005
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,200
cultures

1006
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,640
right i agree and also with the

1007
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,760
elon musk's uh starlink satellites in

1008
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,760
the thousands around the world

1009
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,760
and that should also help in that effort

1010
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,160
regarding being able to report things a

1011
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:50,000
lot easier for third world countries

1012
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,440
second and third world countries i would

1013
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,040
agree except for the one thing is

1014
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,800
the fact that they they give us false

1015
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,480
errors you know

1016
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,160
because you got this little string of

1017
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,520
lights going through the sky

1018
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,359
but that kind of thing we can filter out

1019
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,480
because usually when you look at the

1020
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,079
write-ups we've already had some issues

1021
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,599
with that test they did

1022
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,160
and we were able to pick those out quite

1023
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,839
literally by looking at the description

1024
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,119
in the database

1025
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,440
and uh identify them as something we

1026
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,800
didn't want to count

1027
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,000
understood what type of shapes are most

1028
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,079
reported over long periods of time

1029
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,480
or short periods of time like say this

1030
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,000
year to say compared

1031
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,760
to 2001 through 2018

1032
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,640
or 2017. what are the most common type

1033
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,720
of shapes reported

1034
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:35,359
there's the paradox the most common

1035
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,079
shapes

1036
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,000
that are reported are things like a

1037
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:39,680
lightness guy

1038
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,040
um a cylinder you know a lot of things

1039
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,800
that could be easily confused with

1040
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,720
conventional aircraft

1041
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,760
okay those are the most shapes where the

1042
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,800
secrets are

1043
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,000
is

1044
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,320
um they're in a they're in the tiny

1045
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,599
numbers

1046
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,119
there's a shape that's called this

1047
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,960
changing shape and i never paid any

1048
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,280
attention to it until i heard dr villa

1049
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,800
on i'm a george knapp on coast to coast

1050
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,960
and he was talking about them okay about

1051
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,160
the fact you just start to put your

1052
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,520
equipment on and then they appear to

1053
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,520
change into some other kind of shape

1054
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,720
and i thought to myself what the heck is

1055
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,880
that so i i went in and started looking

1056
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:20,560
at it and found out that they are the

1057
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:20,960
most

1058
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,040
ufo sighting but there's only about 150

1059
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,720
of them a year

1060
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,760
and over the last eight of the 18 years

1061
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,520
2001 2018

1062
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,440
there was only about 2 400 of them and a

1063
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,040
lot of people in the community i tried

1064
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,400
to point this out to people and they

1065
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
just sniffed and said oh that's not a

1066
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,599
trend you know they're looking for the

1067
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,280
big mega numbers you know

1068
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,200
but actually we found out that the

1069
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,880
secrets are in the numbers that are down

1070
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,160
there in the dirt

1071
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,680
i'll give you an example uh a year or so

1072
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,839
ago i was talking with louis assando

1073
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,520
and we were all talking about the fact

1074
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,119
that the numbers were falling off in

1075
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,960
2016 to 18

1076
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,720
and 19 that type of thing the numbers

1077
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,960
were falling off into the dirt okay

1078
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,040
uh even peven that peter davenport was

1079
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,960
saying as somebody circumventing my

1080
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,000
numbers there's somebody

1081
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,240
like the government cancelling reports

1082
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,520
coming into us or something

1083
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,119
everybody was concerned about the fact

1084
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:15,280
that the ufo sighting nervous had

1085
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,920
dropped tremen dramatically and

1086
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,760
we were talking about it over coffee and

1087
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,960
i said well there are

1088
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,520
three shapes that are coming up what do

1089
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,119
you mean three shapes coming up i said

1090
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,800
there's three shapes that are actually

1091
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,079
on the increase

1092
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:32,560
and when one shows up the other two show

1093
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,440
up

1094
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,480
and i printed them out a printout and i

1095
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,680
don't know if you've ever seen

1096
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,520
louis alessando he's always got a stoic

1097
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,280
lick but he got a troubled look on his

1098
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:43,119
face and asked for a copy of the

1099
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,160
printout

1100
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,760
um this saturn-shaped ship those mile

1101
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,440
wide guys and then they

1102
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,599
that's the one like the japan airlines

1103
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:52,880
confronted in the middle

1104
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,079
80s uh 1986 i think it was

1105
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,760
uh a japan airline 747

1106
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,400
uh cargo plane encountered one this

1107
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,240
thing's a mile wide and it had the

1108
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:05,920
agility of the plane that he

1109
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,440
that the guy was flying okay and um

1110
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,560
it seems that whenever these

1111
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,480
saturn-shaped ships are rare

1112
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:15,119
but when they show up the teardrop shape

1113
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:16,240
shows up

1114
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,760
in frequent numbers to suggest that the

1115
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,160
teardrop might be some sort of

1116
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,560
large-scale shuttle craft and that the

1117
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,319
egg shape the little egg-shaped ships

1118
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:30,640
might be just some kind of scout ship

1119
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:34,319
right um i have a two-part question

1120
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,000
for you and that is is mainstream media

1121
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,920
asking about the topic we're covering

1122
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:41,200
today

1123
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,680
um uh are they asking you about

1124
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,960
these topics that we're covering today

1125
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,640
so that they can share your data with

1126
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:52,079
their listeners and viewership

1127
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,760
and the other question is i have um

1128
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,599
do you believe that mainstream media is

1129
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,119
covering this topic

1130
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,680
more than ever so that two-part question

1131
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,440
is mainstream media

1132
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,040
asking you about the topic we're

1133
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,119
covering today

1134
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,960
and do you feel that they're covering it

1135
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:12,560
now currently

1136
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,030
major papers and news outlets of record

1137
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,359
have been have been covering as we know

1138
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:24,480
the new york times has

1139
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,960
a washington post has politico has okay

1140
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,359
you get down to the regional news

1141
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,280
director state level news directors like

1142
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,000
here in new york

1143
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,400
state uh i've approached when my

1144
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,319
newspaper went out of business

1145
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,200
i reached out to them and said would you

1146
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,640
like to pick me up

1147
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,440
to do a similar online column every week

1148
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,760
for us and they laughed me off the phone

1149
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,200
literally and i said look the new york

1150
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,880
times is writing about the heck they did

1151
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,359
a profile on me and linda you know

1152
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,599
no we're not we're not plugged into that

1153
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,119
no no no they can report that all the

1154
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,880
way we're not interested in that

1155
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,520
and right this minute the only thing

1156
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:02,880
anybody's listening to

1157
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,079
is the election so until after the

1158
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:07,599
election we're not going to get very

1159
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,160
much

1160
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,680
play um unless something uh

1161
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,599
something happens in a sighting then i

1162
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:15,440
get a phone call from some news director

1163
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,079
i got a call

1164
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,920
from the mufon investigator for

1165
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,200
long island about three weeks ago and he

1166
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,880
said he had two news directors hammering

1167
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,000
him for numbers

1168
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,560
down there because they they said the

1169
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,160
newspapers said they were getting lots

1170
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,119
of phone calls

1171
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,800
and i was able to go back and give them

1172
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,160
this number that we've had that

1173
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,760
400 a month versus 600 a month now

1174
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:40,319
increase in sightings but they think we

1175
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:41,040
have this

1176
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,319
button where i can just push a button

1177
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,760
and give them the numbers right off and

1178
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,280
give them what cities and counties right

1179
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,880
off the bat and they have no idea how

1180
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,560
much work that takes to get this stuff

1181
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,480
right which leads me to my next question

1182
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,760
thank you for watching

1183
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:54,240
the length of time it takes i wanted to

1184
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,040
thank you

1185
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:58,160
because we appreciate the ufo community

1186
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,119
appreciates

1187
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,119
the kind of time it takes for you to get

1188
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:02,560
the raw data

1189
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,800
to extrapolate the kinds of statistics

1190
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,839
that you're

1191
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,480
able to publish and share with us

1192
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,560
because i know it can take months

1193
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,119
to do that i'm i don't even doubt that

1194
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,200
at times it may have taken you years

1195
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,680
um due to the lack of level of

1196
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,800
technology

1197
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,000
um at that period of time and

1198
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,599
anyway i just wanted to thank you for

1199
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,040
that i wanted to ask you

1200
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,680
and expand upon that regarding how you

1201
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:30,720
actually take

1202
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,160
raw data you polish it refine it and

1203
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,920
turn it into the diamonds that you share

1204
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,680
with us how does that work

1205
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,319
well when we download the data it has to

1206
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,599
be cleaned up

1207
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,760
okay we end up with about 12 typically

1208
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:46,400
about 8 to 12 fields of data

1209
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,839
and it first thing

1210
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,640
we do a quick scan to make sure

1211
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,640
information has been communicated

1212
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,880
uh of the descriptions but usually after

1213
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,480
about the first cleaning

1214
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,880
we've taken off the fields that relate

1215
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,880
to when the actual write-up about the

1216
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:04,720
screen all we're really interested in

1217
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,160
is uh what's it a date and time

1218
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:11,280
what city what um what state that type

1219
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,760
of thing

1220
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,800
and what shape okay and that's really

1221
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,079
all we're interested in we're just

1222
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,240
counting statistics we don't have case

1223
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,079
studies i've had people call me up

1224
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:22,400
we want your 25 best case studies we

1225
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:23,440
don't have them

1226
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,800
we simply crunch numbers then the other

1227
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,319
problem we have to go through is as we

1228
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:29,680
start going through and cleaning up

1229
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:30,319
things

1230
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,760
um you ask about cities um three and a

1231
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,359
half percent of people don't

1232
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,119
and this is kind of average between both

1233
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:39,440
databases don't even bother to fill out

1234
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,000
the city

1235
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,960
line you know they don't fill it out or

1236
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,240
they'll write something in this my

1237
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,599
mother told me not to tell you my

1238
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:47,040
husband told me not to tell you the

1239
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,400
sheriff told me not to tell you

1240
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,960
everybody in town will know i did this i

1241
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:52,400
reported this you know that kind of

1242
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,520
paranoia

1243
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,240
um so we have to take we want to count

1244
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,160
the sighting

1245
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,839
so we usually just put in there

1246
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,839
unspecified and then when we

1247
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,839
correlate it back into the state into

1248
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,040
add county data

1249
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,640
we make an unknown county for every

1250
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,640
single state in the union

1251
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,240
thank you and sometimes the unknown

1252
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,079
counties actually have more than any of

1253
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,520
the other major counties

1254
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,680
it's a shame that people don't take the

1255
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,440
time to give us the city or

1256
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,000
again in the sanitizing they don't spell

1257
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,480
the name of their city right

1258
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,880
or one of the other big ones we deal

1259
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:26,240
with two things

1260
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,079
saint and mount is it mt

1261
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:32,640
is it mt period do you spell the word

1262
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,119
out

1263
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,560
is it s-a-s-a-i-n-t is it s-t

1264
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,040
period you know um we have to clean it

1265
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,400
up and amazingly enough

1266
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,640
i mean i i'm a retired i.t professional

1267
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,720
i tried to write scripts to do this

1268
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,119
and it just it was easier just to go in

1269
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,280
there manually and fix it up

1270
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:52,880
so which took an immense amount of time

1271
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,760
well back in 2016 when we did the book

1272
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,400
things that

1273
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,760
took us months to do back then

1274
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,599
we developed process and we're both

1275
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,760
former government contractors in the

1276
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:06,079
first rule of government contracting do

1277
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,030
so you do i second that emotion well

1278
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,400
what we did was we did

1279
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,480
we both knew how to develop good process

1280
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,720
procedures and as we learned how to do

1281
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,839
things well

1282
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,079
we documented and upgraded the procedure

1283
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:23,760
and things that took me

1284
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,040
say a month to do then without with

1285
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,880
nine thousand lines worth of data from

1286
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,280
one one reporting center or another

1287
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,480
um i can do maybe in uh

1288
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:37,359
two eight hour days now you know it it's

1289
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,920
it

1290
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,760
we've learned we've really gotten very

1291
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,520
efficient at how we can do this

1292
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,079
the most time-consuming thing is we

1293
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,720
supplement the database

1294
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,880
in our database we supplement it with

1295
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,079
county data

1296
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,680
and currently we've been doing a

1297
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,599
retrofit work supplementing

1298
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,560
correcting city spellings correcting

1299
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,359
counties

1300
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,319
and we are adding latitude longitude and

1301
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:01,680
zip codes

1302
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,800
thank you for mentioning all that um um

1303
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,200
i just wanted to mention something uh

1304
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:08,880
off topic a little bit here

1305
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,079
i had the privilege of speaking to

1306
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,720
a government official a while back he

1307
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:17,280
had a master's in public administration

1308
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,150
sometimes the government has to have

1309
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,079
meetings just to figure out when to have

1310
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,440
a meeting

1311
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,839
that's how bureaucratic it is so i just

1312
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,880
found that funny

1313
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:33,040
but anyway moving along i wanted to talk

1314
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,079
about a topic

1315
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,559
regarding uh an article that was written

1316
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,800
recently by alejandra rojas whom we just

1317
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,480
interviewed a few days ago

1318
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,240
and he reported in an article a

1319
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:47,040
certain series of topics that i know

1320
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,400
you're familiar with

1321
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,480
the title of the article is how u.s

1322
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,480
intelligence community insiders got the

1323
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,200
senate's

1324
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,240
attention regarding ufos in that article

1325
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,880
a chris mellon states there's a quote

1326
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:00,079
from chris mullen

1327
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,680
stating that he was the individual who

1328
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,440
received i believe it says in the

1329
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,280
parking lot of the pentagon

1330
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:10,160
the uh go fast gimbal and fleur videos

1331
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,640
and

1332
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,200
that he bent the rules a bit uh that he

1333
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,520
felt that he felt that it was okay

1334
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,920
for folks to bend the rules a bit so to

1335
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,839
speak

1336
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,680
uh and he was saying that in relation to

1337
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,800
that topic

1338
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:26,000
and so wanted to ask you um two two

1339
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,720
questions

1340
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,559
do you feel that it was a form of

1341
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:31,119
disclosure regarding chris mellon having

1342
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,599
released those videos or rather ttsa did

1343
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,880
i suppose

1344
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,440
and then also in addition to that do you

1345
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,680
feel that it was ethical or not ethical

1346
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,880
of chris mellon

1347
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,119
to have that belief regarding what he

1348
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,760
was referencing there

1349
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:50,480
it goes back to the issue of the greater

1350
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,119
truth

1351
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,880
now there have been people in that deep

1352
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,240
state aspect that

1353
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:57,040
knew about all of this stuff for for a

1354
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,160
long long time

1355
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,400
and it's been a secret it's been too

1356
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,440
kept too long

1357
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,000
how many guys have we had come out to us

1358
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:06,240
in the ufo community on their death beds

1359
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,440
former cia guys

1360
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,040
things like this saying this stuff is

1361
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:11,440
bloody real on their deathbeds

1362
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:14,800
okay um heck for that matter even um

1363
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,160
jesse marcel who sat down with uh

1364
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,680
with um uh stanton friedman

1365
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,160
yeah um the reason he sat down with

1366
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,400
satan friedman he had lung cancer he had

1367
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,400
nothing left to lose at that point

1368
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,440
okay so there is

1369
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,119
there is a reckoning there are people

1370
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,640
who are of conscience

1371
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,400
who say you know human the human culture

1372
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,480
the human species needs to know this

1373
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,559
stuff and needs to know the truth

1374
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,640
and from that standpoint i say that's a

1375
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,760
very high ethic

1376
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,559
now within the the the government deep

1377
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,359
state type of things

1378
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,760
those flare videos that were released at

1379
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,280
the new york times through

1380
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,319
um academy

1381
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:59,599
uh i can't remember the name of that

1382
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:02,720
ttsa tts

1383
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,680
um i i sometimes call it rockstar

1384
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,119
academy for short you know

1385
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:09,680
i mean no disrespect to him but uh

1386
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,390
they those tapes were cleared i talked

1387
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,400
to i talked to lou alsano about them

1388
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:19,280
they had been

1389
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,040
cleared the actual seriously classified

1390
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,280
aspects have been taken out

1391
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,680
okay and then what do we find out here

1392
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,440
two years later during the middle of the

1393
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,480
lockdown

1394
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,599
the pentagon confirms it and uh

1395
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,440
ralph bloomington i worked from the new

1396
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,040
york times and i were talking about this

1397
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:39,040
he says hey they confirmed our story you

1398
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,319
know

1399
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,000
a reporter loves to have their story

1400
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,319
confirmed so i think it was very ethical

1401
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:46,480
for them to do it and i think

1402
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,839
i personally i think there's something

1403
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:50,800
bigger pushing

1404
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,839
this okay and depending upon how the

1405
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,599
election goes we're going to have either

1406
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:57,520
a really crappy disclosure or we're

1407
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,640
going to have a really good disclosure

1408
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,559
uh just to jump in with a quick question

1409
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:03,920
here cheryl uh

1410
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,880
how if such a thing doesn't exist and it

1411
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,440
probably does in uh some form or another

1412
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:12,240
how much would you like to get hold of a

1413
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:13,520
database of

1414
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,800
military ufo sightings that has been

1415
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,079
kept internally

1416
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,800
up to this point uh to be honest with

1417
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,559
you i don't care about their data

1418
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,040
you know why um they were more

1419
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,359
interested in mine

1420
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,960
okay um they have a they have a little

1421
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,559
problem and lou and i talked to

1422
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,720
louisano and i talked about this thing

1423
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:36,720
called posse commentatus

1424
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,319
okay and it's a it's about how much the

1425
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:43,359
military can use civilian resources

1426
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:47,440
okay and they can't okay under title 10.

1427
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,280
so um their database and actually lou

1428
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,640
and i talked about this

1429
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,559
really only covered military

1430
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,000
installations

1431
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,920
and where the fleet was and what was

1432
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,280
happening to the fleet

1433
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,440
and lou told me he said uh you know we

1434
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,960
would sometimes go for months with

1435
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,480
nothing and then suddenly the boards

1436
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,520
were letting up

1437
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,319
okay so they really are only tracking

1438
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,160
their own incursions with it and yes

1439
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,200
it'd be fun to

1440
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:13,119
see what the heck they've had going on

1441
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,400
over the years but

1442
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,000
uh to be honest with you i think the

1443
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:17,680
bigger story is we

1444
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,119
listen i reported between 2001 to 2018

1445
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,040
i said that we said that there was 146

1446
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,880
800 sightings okay we had

1447
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,599
two polls that were done one by fox

1448
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:32,800
pictures in

1449
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,800
july of 2017 the other by the gallup

1450
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:37,599
organization

1451
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,119
in september of 2019 and they reported

1452
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,640
the things we pretty much had seen in

1453
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,440
other polls

1454
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:46,240
uh 36 percent were saying i bel um

1455
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,040
believer

1456
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,480
42 were on the fence and 17 18 percent

1457
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:53,359
said it's bologna okay okay we saw that

1458
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,079
but

1459
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,960
fox hit asked the question had you seen

1460
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:57,839
it a

1461
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,200
ufo and so did gallup and they both came

1462
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:03,440
back with a percentage of the country

1463
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,200
of 16 16 and change but let's just say

1464
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,400
16 for a round number

1465
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,880
16 of the adult population of the

1466
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,520
country

1467
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,599
says they've seen a ufo so we

1468
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,440
extrapolated that back over say a

1469
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,280
30-year period which is what's called a

1470
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,559
generation

1471
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:21,200
and we came back up with the number that

1472
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,480
for

1473
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:24,720
one swag just in the united states one

1474
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:28,000
in 277 people reports what they see

1475
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,920
okay you want a really rough number

1476
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,640
one in 300 people okay now we we ended

1477
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,319
up going to every single state and

1478
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,400
calculating and getting the census data

1479
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,760
and calculating

1480
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,839
what and this is our private research we

1481
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,200
were doing uh

1482
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:45,280
uh with department adult pop seventy six

1483
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,319
percent of

1484
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,559
i'm sorry what the adult population of

1485
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,240
every single state was and taking that

1486
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,760
sixteen percent

1487
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,040
okay so we had numbers again bouncing

1488
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,359
them back against actual reports

1489
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,400
of saying somewhere between one in 150

1490
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,200
people and one in 450 people reported

1491
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,200
but the center of the bell curve was

1492
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,680
right around one in 300 people reports

1493
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,079
what they see now crank that number take

1494
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,079
that one hundred thousand

1495
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,680
uh 146 800 number

1496
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,880
and times it by 277.

1497
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:20,720
we have a lot of sightings folks and

1498
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,319
most of them are not reported

1499
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,800
yeah we were talking earlier cheryl just

1500
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,480
wanted to uh

1501
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,640
just reiterate something that you

1502
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,520
actually discussed earlier with me

1503
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,920
and that was uh ralph blumenthal did

1504
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,359
find it refreshing

1505
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,400
regarding his story with leslie keane

1506
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,599
and helen cooper and their glowing rs

1507
00:54:47,309 --> 00:54:45,280
and black money article which was

1508
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:47,319
published on december 16

1509
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:51,680
2017 having been having been confirmed

1510
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,880
by the pentagon so moving along uh

1511
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:57,040
there was just that one last question i

1512
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,920
wanted to get

1513
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,680
a little bit more information on from

1514
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,839
you before we wrap up and that is

1515
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,599
did you feel that it was a form of

1516
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,119
disclosure

1517
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:08,559
when um tts

1518
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:13,160
a actually released those three videos

1519
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:17,200
2017 itself was a disclosure year

1520
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,119
in january of 2017 the cia

1521
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,040
through the national archives and they

1522
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,119
did a brilliant job the national archive

1523
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,040
archivist library it's a beautiful job

1524
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,240
of organizing it

1525
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:31,760
released many millions of

1526
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,040
kissinger cables from the the nixon era

1527
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:36,319
that type of thing plus a lot of other

1528
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:36,880
stuff

1529
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,480
and uh and of course for years the

1530
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:47,440
cia told us oh we don't study ufos and

1531
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,000
then you get

1532
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,559
in there and in the 19 late 40s and

1533
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,160
early 50s they had

1534
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,799
they had pdfs in there that were saying

1535
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:56,400
you know here's these two doctors

1536
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,280
talking to each other

1537
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,480
they were pulling their hair

1538
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,480
out about things that linda and i

1539
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,319
analyzed and of course we had better

1540
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:05,680
data than they did

1541
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,520
okay um so uh that was a disclosure in

1542
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,559
itself

1543
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,119
i think that also got the new york times

1544
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,640
attention

1545
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,599
um that hey maybe there is something to

1546
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,400
this

1547
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,559
so what about three months later two old

1548
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:22,400
ladies in upstate new york produced this

1549
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,760
book of data

1550
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,280
and the new york times looked at this

1551
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,799
and they knew why they didn't report

1552
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,880
ufos because it was all anecdotal it was

1553
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,079
always stories

1554
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,000
here's two ladies in upstate new york

1555
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,839
that produced a book of numbers

1556
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,760
charts graphs something you could put

1557
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,040
your hands around

1558
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,559
and that was another level of disclosure

1559
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,440
okay that a major paper of record on

1560
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,960
this planet reported it and

1561
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:47,520
day after they reported that my phone

1562
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,160
rang

1563
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:50,720
off the hook from news directors and

1564
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,359
editors

1565
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,760
all over the world okay the next morning

1566
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:55,359
the first call that came to me was times

1567
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,079
of london

1568
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,400
okay so here's where we go when we get

1569
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,079
to december

1570
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,720
it did not surprise me that that

1571
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,839
politico

1572
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:06,400
and uh leslie keane and and and ralph

1573
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,200
blumenthal

1574
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,359
broke that story it did not surprise me

1575
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,280
at all i was delighted to see it i was

1576
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,000
hoping more

1577
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,670
so does that mean uh that it's possible

1578
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,119
that

1579
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,319
when we have hearings on the uap topic

1580
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,119
that you and linda miller costa might be

1581
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,920
called forward to talk at those hearings

1582
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,319
it's been suggested we've got the only

1583
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,200
book of data

1584
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,599
publicly available even blue book never

1585
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,640
published

1586
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,680
the 12 000 sightings they had and

1587
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,920
by the time they get around to doing

1588
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,760
this stuff and everybody gets settled

1589
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,240
into

1590
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,920
whatever government we're going to have

1591
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,280
after the election

1592
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,839
um my current numbers say we're going to

1593
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,680
have somewhere between a hundred

1594
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:52,720
that my database right now says 140

1595
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,079
146 800 we think it's going to be

1596
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,079
somewhere between 165

1597
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,880
000 and 170 000 sightings for the

1598
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,680
20-year window of 2001 to 2020

1599
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,359
and the numbers right now are looking

1600
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,720
like 168

1601
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,839
000. 000 based on our model thank you

1602
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,599
for that information before we go

1603
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,319
can you please share with us a new book

1604
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,079
that you're working on

1605
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,240
the new book is basically going to be

1606
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:20,160
the ufo sightings desk reference

1607
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:24,480
united states of america 2001 to 2020

1608
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,079
we'll be again self-publishing and uh

1609
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,160
it will it should be it should be a lot

1610
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,640
of fun uh it'll be probably a tad bigger

1611
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:34,000
but we're going to pretty much carry the

1612
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,839
same format but we're going to add a few

1613
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,119
additional

1614
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,799
types of charts and graphs because of

1615
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,559
the fact that we've discovered new ways

1616
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:41,599
of displaying the

1617
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,559
the data what's something we would like

1618
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:45,760
to do

1619
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,880
is also add and do a publish a in 2020

1620
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,079
we'd like to do a

1621
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:52,480
five book series on just individual

1622
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,280
analysis

1623
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,680
of shapes so take everything that looks

1624
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,440
like a triangle a wedge or a

1625
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,760
or a chevron and do do a book on nothing

1626
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,720
but them

1627
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,319
and then do a book on nothing but the

1628
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,319
squares and that type of thing and

1629
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,839
something about the circles and the

1630
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:07,760
circles of lights and the spheres and

1631
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,880
that and then the exotic shapes okay

1632
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,880
we figured out what shapes we'd like to

1633
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,960
do and it would take a five volumes that

1634
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:17,040
do it if we tried to do in one book it

1635
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,319
would be the size of an oxford

1636
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,400
dictionary it's that much data

1637
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,559
understood i wanted to go ahead and let

1638
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,839
our listeners know

1639
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,079
that if they wanted to contact cheryl

1640
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,160
with any ufo

1641
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,440
related data to go ahead and contact her

1642
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:32,880
at her email

1643
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,240
blogger cherylcosta.com and i'm going to

1644
00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:37,839
go ahead and say that again

1645
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,480
blogger as in the word blogger at

1646
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:44,160
cherylcosta.com which is c h

1647
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:47,640
e r y l

1648
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:51,200
c-o-s-t-a and uh feel free to shoot her

1649
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:51,440
an

1650
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,400
related topics

1651
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,000
and then also we want to thank you for

1652
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,000
having been on our show today it's been

1653
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:03,040
an honor and a pleasure and a privilege

1654
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,240
to be able to have

1655
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
the opportunity to interview you today

1656
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,920
cheryl thank you so much and please tell

1657
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,640
linda

1658
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,880
that we said hello and give her our best

1659
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,760
i will do that

1660
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,680
yeah thanks so much cheryl frank and

1661
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,599
chan thank you very much for having me

1662
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,839
on i will pass along the goodwill

1663
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,119
and um uh sometime sometime in this

1664
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,599
uh second quarter of next year we should

1665
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,520
have something really cool to show you

1666
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,119
that'd be fabulous and we would love to

1667
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,559
cover that

1668
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,599
okay take care thank you you too

1669
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,760
and uh thanks for joining us everybody

1670
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,400
and we'll be back in the next week or so

1671
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:39,119
and we'll have more guests more ufo

1672
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,839
stuff

1673
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,359
thanks for joining us enjoy your